Introduce Yourself/ WIYB (What's In Your Bag), Lessons, Drills, Mental Game, and Fitness Tips. Ping G425 Max 10.5 - Ventus Black 6X or G425 LST Ventus - Black 7X, Ping G425 Max 14.5 - Ventus Blue 7X Will the clubs dig more or enough to tell a difference? It would increase if you added loft. All rights reserved. What affect would bending an iron 2 degrees stronger have? Thats basically what companies are doing anyway. December 27, 2014 in Club Making/Repair & DIY Projects. I am glad you mentioned shaft length, static lengths for GI clubs, how it impacts flight, etc. Bending the loft is another story. Yes, it would make the clubs a little 'longer' (with a lower ball flight), but it might not be worth . Humans think theyre logical but when it comes down to it (when the wallet hits the counter), they are controlled by feelings, who they wish they could play like and what company has qualities that match their identity. More ball speed helps them keep the ball in the air longer, which raises their maximum height. Even forged clubheads made of the wrong steel . Bending irons 2 degrees stronger gopher99 May 9, 2021 May 9, 2021 Thread starter #1 G gopher99 Active member Joined Mar 15, 2019 Messages 233 Hi, i need some info from the more knowledgeable people on here than myself, I would like to bend my mizuno 921 forged irons 2 degrees stronger to fit in with the gapping on my wedges. After the back-to-back top-25s, he was a sneaky play at a long price for the Honda, but was never comfortable, withdrawing during the event with sinus issues. "so, any advice, I keep air mailing greens with my PW from 140, this is really hurting my score. Approach play is the area of the game that leaves a lot to be desired amongst all levels of amateur golfers. All very well getting consistent loft gaps if your distance gaps are varied. The one with a ballflight too high, is delivering the clubhead Contact Us Even if you want to say a weakened 4 iron is longer in length than a 5 iron of the same loft and therefore goes farther, your gaps in your set will still be equally proportionate. Copyright 2022 MyGolfSpy That is only if the area you are going to contact the ball moves up on the face as a result of bending, the lower portion of the face will move backwards when bent strong. Custom Edel E-3 Putter, More than likely you will hit the ball a bit farther as well, potentially close to 1/2 a club. Great article. If you are a true sweeper that may be ok but you may not see that big distance gain you are hoping for. Simply put, bending the iron 6.5 degrees strong wasn't an option. When I was fitted for my 714 AP-2's it was the Titleist fitter who suggested we go 1 degree strong, but it take very little divot. Strengthening the loft should decrease the effective offset shouldn't it? Like most things in life, the real answer is it all depends, golf is probably the only sport where they use generalization to describe something that is quite complicated. probably best to just change the shaft length), You stand tall over the golf ball when swinging, Your golf ball starts towards the right of your target (left for lefties), You hit the golf ball off the toe of the cub more often causing the clubface to open up and create push or slice. Wedges: Dynacraft Dual Millled 52*, SteelFiber i125 S -or-Scratch 8620 DD 53*, SteelFiber i125 S; PM Grind 19 58* -or-Wilson Staff PMP 58*, Dynamic S -or- Ram TW282 SW -or- Ram TW276 SW Another point regarding GI/SGI clubs that I would love to see a fitter touch on is shaft length. But what I dont understand is why you would need to weaken the loft of irons 2-3* when the gap between irons is 3-4*. Callaway 2018 MB irons In between, the Aussie came home fast to be 18th in Cam Smiths Australian PGA, and although he missed the cut at his home Open, sat in the top-10 after an opening 65. Well driving iron to be exact. Albion, MI 49224 The 2 that were out the most went from 'avoided' clubs to 'favourites'! A golf club can be bent two degrees flat when the lie angle is lowered and the heel of the club is raised to a position that is higher than the toe of the club. Are you above or below average for some or all of these statistics? And here is why. Please contact Patrick Gallagher at 800-437-1314 or email patrick@mitchellgolf.com. In a typical golf set, loft increases as shaft length decreases. By The difference after they were set to factory lofts and lie for my swing was amazing! So if you have the time, watch this cool video that I really like explaining how important lie angle is for your golf game: Having and knowing the correct lie angle of your clubs will be a game changer, I promise! Cleveland RTX4 50, 54, 58 Changing the loft on clubs can really screw with the visual look of them at address and change the playing characteristics. If anything I am a digger in the golf swing. Uneven lies can vary more than an inch, and based on club geometry that is 1.6* right there, and I can't say I had much effect on the playability of the club. I'm fascinated by your basis for changing the lofts? -How much do you vary on club delivery for Angle or attack and Dynamic loft? Privacy Policy I've had plenty of clubs bent a degree or two and never had an issue with how the clubs performed, even a wedge. Ultimately, your answer is yes, you can do this. Taylormade SIM UDI 2i / Diamana THUMP 100X, Taylormade P770 3i (bent weak) / Project X LS 6.5, Taylormade P7MC 5-7i, P7MB 8-9i / Project X LS 6.5. Among full-swing clubs, drivers have the lowest degrees of loft (some pros use drivers with as little as 7 degrees of loft; most recreational golfers use drivers lofted at 9 to 14 degrees). Upload or insert images from URL. Assuming you are not altering the trajectory due to the conditions. March 27, 2015 at 11:41 AM would 2 degrees be too much and change the club's characteristics too much? From my observation of thousands of golfers of all skill levels, far too many are deficient in the fundamentals, starting with the grip, and then to the set-up and only then to the swing motion. I highly recommend that golfers get fitted before making a large purchase on golf clubs. Now as lower handicappers, we will probably not have our hands at impact fluctuating 3, 4 or 6 inches, but I would not say mine are within an inch of exactly the same place every time. It flies lower and that is about it. There only seems to be one logical reason to do this and thats just in the odd situation where someone needs more bounce. The lightweight speed designs dont seem to help the everyday golfer from the examples I see out on the course. I am in favor of weaker lofts. FAQs Much of Harrison Endycotts claims were covered in the2023 Players To Followlist, but the summary is worth repeating to justify his selection this week. It can be re-bent without any adverse effect on it. Seems that the article could have suggested that for higher swing speed players, the stronger lofts and COG location is necessary to not have the ball shoot straight up. But there is a lot more to it than that. They wont question a fitter who recommends that they switch to a 10.5-degree driver instead of an 8.5 or 9.5, because those are established as acceptable driver lofts. Instead, I will take Novak at slight odds-on in his three-ball against Scott Brown and Arjun Atwal. Your previous content has been restored. This applies to both face angle and lie. TM M2 8.5* Graphite Design Tour AD GP 6X+ TaylorMade M1 15* Tensei CK Pro White 80X or If you change your AOA and go 2* steeper, both delivered loft and bounce is reduced by 2* In the fittings I do on a golf radar, I see all types of swings and golfers of different ability levels, so the variances in fittings can be dramatic. Golfers should liken their iron fittings to that of a driver. You cannot paste images directly. Its like that distance is just not filled. But if your best place for improvement is in your approach shots or play with the long clubs, you simply must work on your fundamentals of the golf swing. That means judging any of this due to the club head alone and isolated makes no sense, we have to include the player and his delivery of the head since thats what matters for if we can / should go weaker or stronger or leave it as it is. At a club fitting it was pointed out that I had about a 0 aoa and was launching a bit higher than ideal. To do this, simply Google, Golf Club Fitters Near Me and you will get a great list of places that will make sure you are playing the right lie angle for your game. Brent Grantcould very well be one of the seasons fairy stories by September, having already secured his 2022/23 card with a stunning 50-foot birdie putt on the last hole of the Korn Ferry Tour Championship enough to finish 11th and sneak in. I would be using it off the ground as well, a little of both. Mizuno MP59 4i-6I w/ PX 6.5, Wedges- Scratch 8620 Driver/Slider set. Ping G400 Max driver w/Aldila Rogue 125 Silver So if you are steep or tend to take a pretty good divot, you may not want to bend them more than a degree. Never go more than 2 degrees when making adjustments. What to consider when bending golf clubs. Like you said, it will change the bounce but other than that, it wont change much and shouldnt effect the playability of the club unless you are really steep and need the bounce. I completely agree with this! Secondly, it also takes absolutely no athletic ability to learn how to set up in the proper posture to make a sound golf swing possible. NOW AVAILABLE: GolfWRX G/Fore Hats and Holderness & Bourne Polos! The decision wasn't about distance it was about gapping. Late to the party but I was just searching this topic and saw your post, I just bought an old set of mizuno's that are bent 2* strong for the exact same reason as you stated above. The so-called "standard" lie angles are 9 iron at 64* with a spacing of 1 deg between clubs. A Good Fit for a Clubfitter is the Post Fit. By Greyson P. I just purchase a great used 712 AP2 set. I know it will increase the bounce. Cast club heads made of industrial steel are all on the so-called "unbendable list". While golf club manufacturers certainly try to make a consistent product, there are often inconsistencies in the lofts and lies of the clubs and they may not be progressively consistent from one club to another. Will it affect offset? I find Callaway irons have to much bounce to begin with esp. Cleveland RTX4 50, 54, 58 Say you start with a classic blade 7 iron with 40* static loft by how much could you reduce the loft in conjunction with a GI head design without launching the ball lower? But i am talking more along the lines of the bounce, leading edge, etc. Thanks for everybody for your help! It will also increase the offset of the club, not a huge amount, but at two degrees, it is noticeable to me. I use Ping I Blades and Ping have a 'power spec' on their website for these where the lofts can be bent to and still retain playabilty. I already have a udi 2i and am too cheap to buy a 1i to replace it. If the customer cant get the 4 iron in the air, pull that too and give them a hybrid that will get in the air. Idk CG specifics on those models, but I have seen similar results with I20, and G25. On the opposite and gapping from AW to 9i is very wide about 16 yards about between clubs. Here are the different ways fitters change the lie angle of a club: A club can either be bent to an upright position (toe higher than heel) or flat (toe lower than heel) usually in increments of 1 or 2 degrees. Hope this Helps! The loft difference in the AP2 7 iron and AP3 6 iron is 6 degrees apart. * MD4 54/10 S-Grind replacedMD3 54/12 W-Grind. Odyssey #7 Tank, I got a set of Titleist 716 cb that are bent 2 degrees strong (they end up being 1 Degree weaker than my old z745 I believe). The MB and CB clubs you have need a bit more loft to get the ball launched well. JavaScript is disabled. I just switched from Wilson Ci9 to Taylormade TP MC, and Ive gained almost 15 yards despite the lofts being higher. 50*, 54* bent to 55* and 60*, Putter- Taylormade Spider Tour w/ flow neck This feels like an anyone week the back-nine on Sunday could be fun. Backups:Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced) + Evnroll Gravity Grip | SeeMore FGP + SuperStroke 1.0PT. You won't notice it. Sure. My 54 wedge has 12 of bounce and the divots I take with it are just a big as all the rest. When my first 'proper' set of clubs (MP30s) were done - at the same time as a Driver Shaft fitting - a couple were out considerably (the 6 iron had the loft of a 5!)! GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, Tuesday at 04:47 PM, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 20, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 13, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 6, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, January 31, By Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. Ping G400 Max driver w/Aldila Rogue 125 Silver They catch a bit but I hit it crispier. Needless to say, some people need more bounce than others; pickers don't need much bounce but diggers do. It is a combination of those factors to get consistent results. The golfwrx wannabe touring pros will argue otherwise.. After reading the headline I was expecting a slightly different subject discussed but this topic is something Ive been wondering about myself. (I ran into this today.) For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Yes, it is possible to bend the irons 1-2 degrees stronger, but by doing so you would be reducing the effective bounce on the clubs. I am a club fitter also and see this every day. Since such a precise hit is needed to take advantage of the lower loft, the average distance each club hits the ball tends to converge at lower lofts for less-skilled players. . These are topics that have been kicked around and that are important in todays market, so articles will most likely be touching on them in the future. well unfortunately people buy clubs based on their ego and the club manufactures feed it. Surely getting consistent results and regular yardage gaps between clubs is more important than shooting for some ideal stats that may go against your natural swing? Just about every club that leaves the factory won't be 100% spot on for loft, manufacturing tolerances are going to throw that out. On the short end, as the pitching wedge loft gets stronger you end up with wider gaps in the scoring clubs. Hi Greyson, Bending your irons strong will reduce the bounce of the club. Bomb and gouge. Display as a link instead, I'm guessing it will dig more but how much more? Show Your True Colors With Mitchell Golfs Custom Color Program. You may want to try searching if you need more info. I am constantly amazed at how many golfers are trying to play the game with a fundamentally unsound hold of the club. Your link has been automatically embedded. There is no question that golf is one of the hardest, if not the hardest, games in which to become reasonably proficient. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Currently I play a set of old-school Ping Eye 2s, which I love, but I want the benefits of modern irons and forged heads. ***GIVEAWAY*** Cleveland CBX ZipCore Wedge! Haven't registered for Team Titleist yet? Dont worry and overthink this like most doo. Lynx Black Cat irons were set this way, so I had to have the 5 iron bent 2*, the 6 iron 1.5, the 7 iron 1.0 and the 8 iron .5 (this was my experimental set). The Ever Changing Bag! The swing is dynamic and I seriously doubt that I can hit two balls on the course exactly the same, with my body being exactly in the same position every time. 00bolt, September 12, 2016 in WRX Club Techs. Thanks for your advice, its been helpful. What bouncedoes is keep the leading edge from digging into the ground. A lot of mixing and matching Barring physical limitations, anyone can learn to hold the club properly, and you can practice it anywhere from the sofa in front of your TV to your office while on a call. The main reason it is done on GolfWRX is so people can brag how far they hit their irons, generally with a passive brag. Your link has been automatically embedded. TaylorMade Rsi TP 3-PW (1.5* strong) NS-Pro MOdus 3 tour130 X St Louis, MO. May 23, 2016 at 04:54 PM. Having spent a lot of his childhood in Hawaii and now on a course that will reward his best asset, Grant can justify this snippet from a recent interview: Fortunately for me, I grew up in the wind.. I knew that bounce and loft have a 1:1 ratio but never thought that changing lie angle would affect swingweight but it makes perfect sense. I was fit for my current irons and they were bent 2 degrees strong for ball flight purposes. It is common for the golfers I fit to hit todays irons, which average about 2 degrees less loft per club, as high as their current set (if not higher). Bending 2* strong will increase the clubs digging tendencies. Changing the lie angle of a club can help golfers more consistently hit shots off of the center of the clubface. I have read that it can create "diggers" is this true? Older irons can be bent to achieve better gaping and additional distance, but the distance increases will be very small. And the opposite is true as the speed drops. It will reduce the bounce of the club, but the actual effect will depend on your swing path. All bending machines are not accurate in their readings. Clear editor. Just curious for those who have personal experience with this as to the answer. But if a high spin player gets a 15 launch and 6000 RPM with a 115 MPH ball speed with a 5-iron, then whats wrong with that? This will give you a low-to-mid-range straight shot. What amazes me the most is how many golfers will continually spend thousands of dollars on golf equipment but never take the initiative to change those fundamental things that will help them really improve their skills and abilities. Its ball speed not loft that is increasing distance. Can someone please discuss the advantages and disadvantages of increasing loft on an iron by 2 degrees? Being a golf club designer and marketer, I certainly know that there are gains to be made in your efficiency by availing yourself of the right modern equipment. Forged irons should be checked every year or 2 anyway for loft/lie. The club only has .5 degrees of bounce as it is. GolfWRX_Official You cannot paste images directly. Great article! The industry is run by marketing divisions, who are responsible for stronger lofted irons, in the mistaken belief that lower loft equals more distance. Nick is a Certified Performance Club Fitter at Carl's Golfland in Bloomfield Hills, Mich. I changed my Apex pro 19 2 degrees strong. Bounce means nothing. What are you trying to achieve? some strong lofts there, i thought you had blade type irons so, which have weaker lofts? Furthermore, he was 15th at the end of the first round on debut here last year and 11th after Thursdays round at the correlative Corales in the Dominican Republic. This is even less a personal thing than the grip with very little variation, there is a single way to set up to a golf ball to help a good golf swing happen. Another reason why stronger lofts dont always mean more distance is something I do frequently to help golfers hit the ball farther weaken lofts. By adding loft, those golfers achieve more ideal launch conditions, which means they carry shots farther and stop the ball faster on the green. I can't say that they have kicked my 716 ap2 out for good, but for now the 716 cb are staying in the bag! Are their ways to ensure a club wont break? is 2 degrees enough to mess up a club? KBS even notes it in the swing speed recommendations for their different model shafts, as their very lightweight steel shafts are about a full flex softer frequency than the standard weight counterpart. I have mine bent 2 degrees strong and cannot see any visible difference. From my research into various golfer communities, it is highly likely that if you are reading this blog post you probably are playing to somewhere between a 5 and 16 handicap. All rights reserved. Just curious but, can I bend a set of titleist cb718 to the titleist ap2 718 specs? It is amazing how much higher/lower similar irons can perform, in terms of player level. Sorry to be a jerk but this topic comes up quite regularly so there are dozens of threads in the archives discussing this same topic. Product Instructions & Manuals Anyway, the scorecard couldn't care less what club you hit. That is why getting the numbers is so important. He hasnt let that chance go, and while the opening nine events certainly havent been stunning seven missed cuts he showed up at Bermuda, finishing 35th after entering Sunday inside the top-15. Ping G30 irons w/Recoil 95 I'm curious what effect bending the irons 1 or 2 degrees strong would have on the irons playability. Your email address will not be published. My miss is hitting it fat, so I was especially concerned with how bending them strong would affect bounce. Whether you can still hit the ball in the air and make good contact is dependent on your swing. So it doesnt matter to me what loft a golfers 6 iron is, as long as that loft allows a golfer to launch and spin the ball in a way thats ideal for their swing. Couldn't agree more with your entire post. Because of my forward foot was so much above my trail foot, my hands were a good 6" behind the ball, when compared to a level lie.

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