Remove from Compare Add to Compare. Nosler. 12.7mm. Your chart says 6.8 Western produces 20ft/lbs of recoil but a couple other sites Ive read say its around 30. Your time and efforts are appreciated. Shoulder angles are 30 degrees for the Remington cartridge and a slightly sharper 35 degrees for the Nosler. Thats 275 fps faster than the 338 Win Mag using the same length action and 25 fps faster than the 338 Lapua at the muzzle while burning 18% less powder. Is that accurate? Note the shoulder datum differences between the .26 and .28 compared to the .30 and .33. Compared to the 338 LM from Hodgdons reloading at 3046fps with a compressed load of Retumbo under a 225. In 2014 Nosler introduced the flat-shooting .26 Nosler, following it up in 2015 with the .28 Nosler (7mm) that was based on the .26 case but necked accordingly. This makes it more versatile within its effective ranges while leaving the long distance shooting to the .28 Nolser. Earlier I was getting 3025 fps with the 225gr nosler E-tip with 84 gr 4831sc. Great info. This is a fantastic table, as I am in the market for a new rifle to use out west on elk and deer. Hunting with the brake meant taking a second to put my ear plugs in before I pulled the trigger on that bull but, fortunately, I had plenty of time to do so. Muzzle brakes come in two basic varieties: radial port and side-port. I really like your YouTube channel, This got me started, but I found your formula confusing because of the way it is written out. For elk-sized game, it is recommended that you have at least 1,500 ft-lbs of energy, a Hornady HITS score of at least 900, and at least 1,900 fps of velocity. 2) may run into an overall length or case capacity issues with the longer bullets. An additional method to reduce the recoil of a firearm is to use downloaded rounds. For example, in 1958 Winchester announced the .338 Winchester Magnum (for the Model 70 rifle), which was the .300 H&H Magnum case shortened, blown out with a 25-degree shoulder and necked to accept .338-inch bullets. This efficient new cartridge rivals the velocity and energy of the proven .338 Lapua Magnum while using significantly less powder. Its a round that I was never really interested in until now because it seems to be the only ammo I can find these days. Upon skinning it, the third bullet, a Nosler 250-grain Partition, was found under the skin on the offside and showed perfect expansion and had destroyed the lungs. The .33 Nosler is a .33-caliber (.338 in; 8.6 mm), rebated-rim centerfire rifle cartridge designed by Nosler. Add a bit of stock bulk and weight to soak up some of that recoil. By any standard, the .33 Nosler is an impressive hunting cartridge. Right off the bat, the .28 Nosler takes a significant advantage in terms of velocity. The .26 and .28 Noslers share the same case dimensions except for the neck being sized to accept respective bullet diameters, but the .30 Nosler case has the shoulder datum moved back to a shorter dimension. Now it all makes sense. The Model 48 Patriot rifle used to evaluate the new .33 Nosler cartridge features twin locking lugs, a smooth 90-degree bolt lift, fluted bolt body and swept bolt handle for easy cycling. Selecting a rifle and cartridge combination which does not produce too much recoil for the shooters is critical to being able to shoot accurately without developing a flinch. [14] This feature helps weight-conscious sportsmen to lighten their load before venturing into the backcountry. The 7mm-08 Remingtons recoil produces 14.88 ft-lbs of energy at a velocity of 10.68 fps. Nonetheless, their performance captured the attention of major manufacturers. Great job Jim! It produces 28.27 ft-lbs of recoil energy at a velocity of 14.72 fps. The .28 Nosler and the .308 are both big game cartridges, but they have very different effective ranges. Mag. I had an older Ruger model 77 in 7mm-08 (shooting140 grain bullets at about 2800 fps) and the recoil was pretty sharp because the recoil pad was hard rubber and no more than 1/4 thick. The actual muzzle energy on the .50 BMG is 12,500 ft/lbs. The .308 Winchester is a popular cartridge, which means it is readily available in most ammunition stores from a variety of top manufacturers. Nosler produces six different hunting cartridges. The .33 Nosler is Nosler's fourth cartridge following its predecessors the .26 Nosler which was released in 2014, the .28 Nosler which was released in 2015, and the .30 Nosler which was released in 2016. Out of the muzzle, the .28 Nosler is flying 475 ft/s faster than the .308 Winchester. It means that we have a rifle that more or less mimics the flat trajectory of the .270 Win. The throats and cartridge overall lengths of their SAAMI design chambers are too short. One item I remain curious about is where the 12 gauge shotgun cartridge fits. The 33 Nosler is SAAMI approved and will be supported with . Thanks. If you take a look at the first table, the cartridges are NOT sorted by ft-lbs of energy, but by velocity (feet per second). [10], The .26 Nosler cartridge specifications have been submitted to SAAMI and a data sheet is currently available.[4]. Just recognize that its going to push you a loteven though it wont be painful. In this case, youll need the .28 Nosler. Jim, so much work is summarized in what you have built. . Im still on the fence about using Hornadys values instead of straight ft lbs of power. That being said, the two cartridges are very similar and whether felt recoil is more in one cartridge or the other is more about rifle design than cartridge design. Sure, it makes lots of noise and scares the crap out of everyone on the range, but it doesnt really punish the shoulder. Also, how hard would it be to add a 12 and 20 gauge sabot slug to the work? The greater velocity and energy of the .28 Nosler also make it a flatter shooting cartridge than the .308 Winchester. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Thank you and love yalls content! A silencer can reduce a firearms recoil up to 45% while also making the gunshot quieter. When you have to hike a mile to close 200 yds, will you? Its much appreciated. They also deliver terminal performance that is not much different than the .375 H&H Magnum, while offering a flatter trajectory and are generally chambered in lighter, handier rifles. I called the shot and told the guide to give him an additional three to four feet of lead. Im specifically comparing 7prc, 6.8 western, and 277 fury. 300 prc vs 28 nosler . And the 30-28 Nosler is a big step up from your 300WSM , it has a wider range of bullet . Nosler advertises 95-percent weight retention and recommends a minimum impact velocity of 1,800 feet per second for reliable expansion. Thank you for pointing it out. Now I am better informed and will make better decisions regarding what to buy and stock up on. Is it affordable? With the 225-grain AccuBond the .33 Nosler will deliver the same trajectory as the .300 Winchester Magnum with a 180-grain bullet. IE 450 Bushmaster, .458 SOCOM, etc. However, you will be able to take that large game over a variety of distances. For deer-sized game, it is recommended that you have at least 1,000 ft-lbs of energy, a Hornady HITS formula ranking of at least 500, and at least 1,900 fps of velocity. Chamberings will include .223 Rem., 6BR, 6 DASHER, 6 Creedmoor, 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.547 Lapua and .308 Win. The name .30 Nosler refers to the first two digits in the caliber (0.308 in; 7.62 mm) of the bullets that the cartridge fires and the name of the company which created it. This fall, I got the chance to hunt elk in northern Utah with the Nosler crew and I decided to give their most powerful cartridge, the .33 Nosler, a chance to prove me wrong. It too was designed to function in .30-06 length (3.340-inch) actions. Its 3.340-inch overall length permits its use in standard-length actions. 350 legend. Heres a detailed look at each step of the process. If you send me your email, I can send you some screenshots. The .28 Nosler is based on the .26 Nosler which was released in 2014. Should have some 265gr ABLR coming soon and see what they yield. I could never explain or prove this until I saw your video and recoil charts. . Great information here. I spent SOOOO long putting the data for this post together. 16. I wonder if its time to add the 7 PRC to this table? Have you, or could you , review rifle availability for left handers? While the .26 Nosler and the .28 Nosler share the same cartridge case dimensions, the .30 Nosler has a slightly shorter length to the shoulder dimension than the .26 Nosler and the .28 Nosler,[7] and the .33 Nosler has a shorter shoulder length dimension than that of the .30 Nosler. Still, theres nothing more useless than a powerful cartridge that a hunter is scared of. 30 Nosler Vs 300 Win Mag . 8.6 blackout (new!) I want to clarify though, that the .300 win mag and .338 win mag have exactly the same free recoil energy, with the .300 having a higher velocity and therefore a higher felt recoil? By the time the guide sat down and got into position with his rather rusty and heavily worn Ruger M77RS .338 Winchester Magnum rifle, the 1,700-pound bull had crossed the river and was beyond 500 yards, with its long legs rapidly increasing that distance. In exchange, the .308 Winchester gives a lighter recoil. Thanks! It feels more like a sudden vibration than actual kick. Howdy JimI noticed on your recoil chart.that you have the 300 Win mag 11 notches higher on the totem polethan the 338 Win mag..can this be true ??? The 33 Nosler is SAAMI approved and will be supported with ammunition and components from Nosler beginning Q1 of 2017. Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. The 26 Nosler is a 6.5mm/.264" cartridge based on the beltless .404 Jeffery case and the round was an instant hit. 3. As yet, no one offers a 250 grain AccuBond in factory ammo for the 33 Nosler, and it would have scored closer to the .338 RUM with a 250. What is your rationale for momentum of powder charge = mass X 1.75 X muzzle velocity? I thought 150 to 180 was most popular weight on the store shelf. The most common method that shooters choose is to simply add a muzzle brake. Whereas the 7mm RUM case measures 60.6mm (2.387in) long from head to body-shoulder juncture, that dimension on the .28 Nosler case is 55.0mm (2.166in). I believe this is one of the best recoil tables I have seen. This is rad, but would be even sweeter if you allowed visitors to sort by columns of their choice. X-Vision Optics long-range ImpactThermal Scope (TS300) boasts a 640 x 480 thermal sensor that can detect big game well past 3,000 yards. After that, the .308 Winchester starts to leave its effective range, while the .28 Nosler is still flying with significant energy. The new movement (some say fad) began with the standard, reach out and touch someone cartridges such as the .308, .30-06, 7mm Remington Magnum, and .300 Winchester Magnum. At 500 yards, the .28 Nosler continues to fly 668 ft/s faster than the .300 Winchester. When selecting a caliber for one of our muzzle devices, the correct choice is based on your cartridge's actual bullet diameter. You see, I once wrote a piece for this very website titled "Who Needs a Magnum?" For these same reasons, the .33 Nosler has had the shoulder datum moved back (or is shorter) than the .30 Nosler. The 6.5 PRC generates 16.27 ft-lbs of energy at a recoil velocity of 11.19 fps. God Bless America , The Constitution , Bill Of Rights & The U.S. Warriors & Veterans Of The United States Of America. Rebating the rim to 13.6mm (0.534in) simplifies the production of rifle bolts since the rims of Holland & Holland-style belted magnums, such as the 7mm Remington Magnum and .300 Winchester Magnum, are the same diameter. If so, how much recoil reduction might be realized by using semi autos? The .28 Nosler is no exception. The .308 Winchester has a bullet diameter of .308, a case length of 2.015, and an overall length of 2.8. Wolfe Publishing Company | 2180 Gulfstream Suite A | Prescott, AZ 86301. Nosler Pro Staff; Sponsored Shooters; Project 48; Employment; Nosler Dealers. It generates 21.34 ft-lbs of energy at 12.55 fps. That amount of recoil is low enough that even youth shooters have no problem shooting the cartridge. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. It has very similar recoil to the 7mm-08, and slightly less than the .270 Winchester. 8mm mauser (8x57) 8mm-06 8mm rem mag. ), .330 Dakota and others. So in the below table, we look at the rifles and their recoil sorted by recoil velocity (the pain it will inflict) from most to least. Thanks, buddy! I am looking at expanding my rifle collection and this info is so helpful. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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In 2016 the .30 Nosler was announced, and the latest cartridge to join the Nosler line is the .33 Nosler. Bottles & 12-oz. In general, most large-bodied and experienced adult shooters can comfortably shoot a rifle with a recoil velocity of under 13.5 fps without developing a flinch. The case diameter and taper resemble those of the 6.8mm Remington SPC; so Nosler recommends using a magazine designed for that cartridge. My kids both shoot 6.5 Creedmoor for hunting deer-sized game. In rough figures, this is around 175 to 250 fps faster than the .338 Winchester Magnum with the same bullet weight and barrel length, but also easily exceeds the .338 Remington Ultra Mag and is similar to the .338 Lapua while using approximately 18 percent less powder. Like same gun weight and/or powder weight charge? Disclaimer: Sportsman's Warehouse assumes no responsibility or liability for any errors or omissions of the information on this page. I have tried many different methods for reducing the recoil of cartridges that are too powerful. Jim Harmer is a host of the Backfire Youtube channel. Well, no one needs oneit has been proven over and over again that one can just about hunt the world with a .270 or a .30-06 with good bullets so long as we arent going after the bigger half of the big five. Due to its greater length, the Remington case is about 25 percent more capacious than the Nosler.[17]. Brakes are loud and some folks cant stand them but theres little question that they work. Ballistically, the 30 Nosler is going to win most of the time at the expense of a relatively small amount of extra powder and barrel life. loved the info was very helpful, literally a life saver. How does it compare to a 130 grain 6.5 Creedmore cartridge? A radial-port brake has holes all around the sides which can make it more effective, but sends out a blast of dust when shot near the ground because it blasts down and not just to the sides. 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