3 trillion in assets under management, as of March 31, 2022, the most recently available information. The call against the Raiders was not the tuck rule. This cerebral praise thing, followed by exploiting an opponents weaknesses is just getting out of hand. The rule, applied to game play, makes absolutely no sense. FYI, I dont give a crap about the Ben Dreith call. How would that be a fumble? It would make interpretation way more clear. The Tuck Rule was a rule in the National Football League (NFL) that stated that if a quarterback lost control of the ball while trying to bring it back to his body (and it was not because he fumbled it), it would be called an incomplete pass, not a fumble. Great teams overcome adversity. "That's the way the play was called," Belichick said. The Jets tied the game with a field goal on that drive before going on to win 10-3. (Of course raiders sold the most merchandise back then and where a very popular team ..the league was not about to put NE in the superbowl they would have lost $$$ at the time), As far as the tuck rule.. Nope. Is the tuck rule, on the other hand, still in effect? I love how people act like the Pats won against the Raiders only because of the tuck rule. . Patriots head coach Bill Belichick referred to this game after the subsequent Tuck Rule Game, telling ESPN, "I knew what the ruling should have been because we had dealt with that play a little bit earlier in the year on the other side of it."[4]. It was incorrectly applied in the Raiders/Pats game. Cant have that! I agree to receive the "Pick Six Newsletter" and marketing communications, updates, special offers (including partner offers), and other information from CBS Sports and the Paramount family of companies. Two games later, the Patriots won Super Bowl XXXVI. That gave Brady the starting role over veteran Drew Bledsoe entering the 2002 season and the rest is history. His arm was going forward, he saw the pressure and tried to pull it back and take the hit. Football legend Tom Brady has admitted that his career could have gone very differently if it wasn't for a ruling which went his way in 2002. Both teams struggled in the heavy snowstorm during the first half, combining for the same number of punts as first downs (11) and converting only one of 13 third downs. On the field, referee Mike Carey ruled it a fumble. If the Raiders pull out the Tuck Rule game, they are probably losing one of their next two games, and doing so in embarrassing fashion. 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He's already completed his "pump" the ball has come back and touched his other hand. That is not a tucking motion That is already tucked. Watch the replay!He never threw the ball. With 1:12 left in the first quarter, a 15-yard fair-catch interference penalty against Patriots defensive back Je'Rod Cherry at the end of Ken Walter's 39-yard punt gave Oakland a first down at midfield, where they drove to a 70 lead on Gannon's 13-yard touchdown pass to James Jett. New England had no timeouts left, but with the clock stopped, Brady here had a short conversation with offensive coordinator Charlie Weis. Not a member? I might be better off looking it up. With less than two minutes left to play, the Patriots drove the ball down the field. Had the play been ruled a fumble, the Patriots would have lost . It was 20 years ago today, when the Patriots played the Raiders, in a snow bowl matchup often referred to as as 'The Tuck Rule Game." The resulting win, leading to an incredible run of postseason victories and Super Bowls for former Patriots quarterback Tom Brady and the Patriots. [1] Afterwards, Redskins head coach Joe Gibbs said, "It makes no sense to me. It applied if the quarterback moved his arm forward in a passing motion, but then changed his mind and tried to keep hold of the football rather than attempt a pass. . I have done this and Woodson blitzed off the corner, forced a fumble and greg beikert recovered it winning the game for the Raiders. The rule was properly applied, period. We prevented your team (assuming you would have beat the steelers ((big assumption by the way)) ) from embaressing yourselves for two consecutive superbowls. this way its absolutely fair for both teams (given that you can agree that his arm was going forward).. To me problem solved, its intentional grounding. If the Raiders pull out the Tuck Rule game, they are probably losing one of their next two games, and doing so in embarrassing fashion. While I'm not arguing with you, but I know the general thing now is that if there's not enough evidence but only a sliver of evidence to overturn it, they won't. I've heard it as week 2 and also your later game against the Jets. "[2] The tuck rule was implemented so refs wouldnt have to define the exact moment that a QB has stopped throwing, and instead is tucking the ball. The Tuck Rule was first enforced in 2001 when Vinny Testaverde faced the Patriots. A pass should only be ruled incomplete if the ball comes loose in the actual act of passing the ball. So if the quarterbacks hand is technically going backwards when the ball is being tucked, and the ball comes out, it should be a fumble. He was not tucking it after deciding not to throw the ball. What a bunch of little women the Oakland fans are. A fresh investigation into New England's conduct has reignited debate over the moral background of the organization and its long history of pushing boundaries of the NFL rulebook under Bill Belichick. The tuck rule was an exception to this rule. 4 Reply Jamie_Naughright You can't see the line of scrimmage on the field. Smith runs second-fastest 40 by DL since 03, Saleh compares Carr to Stafford pre-Rams trade, Allen to be ready to roll for offseason program, How to maximize leverage of No. So in your opinion that 2nd down and 10 really sealed the game for the Pats even though it didnt create a score, and the Pats still trailed at that point in the game. Has no one here ever heard of the Competition Committee ? The Tom Brady rule states that a defender on the ground who has not been pushed into the quarterback cannot lunge at a quarterback's knee or lower legs. harrisonhits2 says: Jan 11, 2011 12:11 PM. The NHL's version of the "tuck rule" hasn't drawn the most positive response from fans and certain players since it became something officials would finally crack down on this season.. Officials reviewed the play, and eventually determined that even though Brady had seemingly halted his passing motion and was attempting to "tuck" the ball back into his body, it was an incomplete pass and not a fumble under the then-effective NFL rules. Football legend Tom Brady has admitted that his career could have gone very differently if it wasn't for a ruling which went his way in 2002. Plain and simple. Press J to jump to the feed. Anything else? Brady has six championship rings and nine total Super Bowl appearances, the most of any player in history. Iron supplements should not be taken at the same, The goal is to build up layers of paraffin by dipping in and out of the TherabathPRO. Here's the thing. Thirdly and finally, all you raider hacks owe every new englander a thank you! Buy Raiders Tickets. Brady posted his confession on social media, rekindling a 20-year debate in the NFL. As a result, the original call was overturned, and the ball was given back to the Patriots, who subsequently moved the ball into field goal range. Sometimes you have to look past the ignorant terms and complex meanings inside a rule book and watch the damn play. Think it through a little bit more. It may have taken him a little longer to earn that genius label without that brilliant Super Bowl game plan he devised for the Rams on his resume. And Ive reached a point where I dont have hate for the Raiders anymore. After instant replay, referee Walt Coleman reversed this call, declared the play an incomplete forward pass, and gave possession back to New England. Stanjamits simple if the Qb gets hit after a pump fake and loses the ball it is a fumble. Oh, how things might have changed if the play was ruled a fumble and not an incomplete pass on Jan. 19, 2002. But that aint what this is Einstein this is an ACCEPTED AND ESTABLISHED RULE that was PROPERLY APPLIED. whats a td what isnt (calvin johnson, arian foster and someone else) How about game winning play by the defense. But now Pereira works for FOX, not the NFL, and he says that the league needs to ditch the tuck rule. [14] Patriots owner Robert Kraft noted that Al Davis was probably looking down from the afterlife and happy that the rule had been abolished. Raiders middle linebacker Greg Biekert then fell on the loose football. https://t.co/0qXIiq5Ux9, Brady said, "The Tuck Rule game against the Raiders," then looked around as if to make sure no one was listening, adding, "might have been a fumble. After a video-replay review, referee Walt Coleman reversed the call, declaring the play an incomplete forward-pass and giving possession back to New England. Yes maybe it was the correct rule or whatever, I'm not arguing that. But after looking at replays the officials invoked the tuck rule, thus handing Brady back the ball and the chance to save the game. poorpathaters says: What about Bill Belichick? In March 2013, the NFL competition committee proposed that league owners eliminate the tuck rule. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. That should have been a roughing the passer call with 15 yards and a first down instead of just a second down. In the closing moments of the fourth quarter of the game in a snowy Foxboro Stadium, with New England trailing by three points, New England quarterback Tom Brady dropped back to pass. The ball should not have to be loose in the act of passing for it to be ruled incomplete. Two class of HatersOne class that likes challenging Raider fans and pointing out the many trials and tribulations of their team and complete morons. The name Tuck Rule Game originates from the controversial game-changing play. It was a snowy day at Foxboro Stadium. Only once the forward motion of the arm is completed, and the ball tucked into the quarterback's body, would a subsequent loss of possession be considered a fumble. On the play following the incomplete pass the Patsies would pull the same trick by having Brady take a hit on a pump-fake. Kicker? If not, then watch the damn replay again and explain to me how in the hell that is not a fumble. So what would have changed? Is Tom Brady the same great quarterback without that first Super Bowl win? The Patriots should never had got that first Super Bowl. Tuck rule or not the raiders got robbed. For once, it was the Raiders that got Hustled. Bad rule. Its all very fascinating but a tremendous waste of time. Also the fact that Pereria had to struggle with defending it FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS after the fact before finally COMING CLEAN only goes to prove the point that the Tuck Rule is a BAD rule (sorry Harrisonhits2 your logic above is as bad as usually). I think everybody probably sees that and says it's a bad rule. 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I question the existence of the Tuck Rule. 20 years later, the Tuck Rule remains one of the biggest and most polarizing moments in NFL history. Cassells was the real tuck rule. The Raiders at one point paralyzed a Patriot player. Later in the quarter, Patriots receiver Troy Brown returned Shane Lechler's 37-yard punt 27 yards to the Patriots 46-yard line. Where is the arm at that point? I am sure the rest of the world is a better place after seeing your post above. On January 19, 2002, NFL history was changed forever. (#94 -> #33, for example). After two incomplete passes and a Brady scramble, Vinatieri came on to hit a game-tying 45-yard field goal through the snow with just 27 seconds left, a kick considered to have been one of the most difficult kicks in NFL history,[15] or the most "clutch-kick ever. That set the tone for two more Raiders Super Bowl victories in the following decade. Game was over and every player on the Raiders sideline was celebrating the victory only to be thrown back onto the field to win a game they had already won. [3] The call was overturned upon review and ruled an incomplete pass, with the tuck rule cited. I am so sick of hearing about the tuck rule. 2013,What exactly does the tuck rule mean? Not happening. Tom Brady just admitted the starting point of his greatness might have been . This solution also solves intentional grounding. [8], This was not the first time the Patriots had seen the tuck rule invoked in the 2001 NFL season. If a QB stops his throwing motion and starts to protect the ball. helmet to helmet hits/ ridicilous fines/bs suspensions! Thats what most Raiders fans cant ever grasp: it was not a bad call. Brady's Buccaneers went 13-4 this season but were knocked out of the playoffs in the Divisional round by the now Super Bowl-bound Rams. Pereira sucks everytime he says how a challenge will go the ref comes out and does something completely different I dont care for that guy, WELL SAID theandy59 Im age 52 and watched that game myself Then the refs had the gall to add two unsportsman penalties, putting the ball on the five yard line, when in fact the game should have been over. An existing rule was strengthened as a result of this. Your reasoning is flawed because you are obviously a biased patriot fan who enjoyed rodney harrision and his cheap shots. "When [an offensive] player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. whats funny is this is the one rule i actually liked.. its funny because tom brady did it and it became a rule.. and now a fairly lesser popular Qb to say the least has the same thing happen in playoffs and it needs 2 be changed? [13] The Pittsburgh Steelers voted against abolition, while two teams, the Patriots and Redskins, abstained from the vote. [1] The Broncos eventually went on to win the game. See my post before yours. Tom Brady Reveals the Tuck Rule Saved His Starting Job With the New England Patriots: 'Probably the Backup QB Going Into 2002 The referee of that famous game was Walt Coleman, who has stood by that call for years. The "Tuck Rule" game was one of the most memorable moments in Brady's entire NFL career.. benh999 says: This season marks the 10th anniversary of the famous "Tuck Rule" game between the New England Patriots and Oakland Raiders. In fact it is typically encountered about once a year by each team in the league. The rule not only changed how referees call the game, but it also altered the trajectory of TB12's 4. The tuck rule was called in Week 2 of an NFL regular season matchup on September 23, 2001, between the New England Patriots and the New York Jets. Once he saw a replay, Coleman quickly reversed his previous ruling, telling ESPN it was an "easy" call. The game, played under a heavy snowfall, was the last at Foxboro Stadium. Unfortunately, most fans will never take the time to see why the rule is there in the first place. I'm just curious as to how they reacted to review back then. Yes, keep the rule until each team has experienced it at least once. Instead of 4th and long with a little more than a minute remaining, it became first and goal. It is the "Tuck" rule. The Patsies had no timeouts and the Raiders would have simply downed the ball to end the game. No . QB is trying to throw a screen pass, gets bumped, running back drops screen passfumble. Mike Pereira, the former director of officiating of the NFL, noted that the design of the rule avoids the question of the quarterback's intention,[1] except that the referee still must judge whether the initial forward movement of the arm was "intentional". Roughing the passer? [8] The only team to vote against the elimination of the tuck rule was the Pittsburgh Steelers, while the New England Patriots and Washington Redskins abstained from the vote. QBs dont deserve a free pass. sick and tired of Pereira, self-promoting pompous a$$, he would support such a change who cares. Enjoyable result! Tge play wasnt even important in the chefs game but changed nfl history in the raiders game. Today marks the 15th anniversary of the most controversial use of replay in NFL history. Whine about 1976 all you want Patriot fans. Wow. The thing that makes no sense is is that the refs had to have been 100% certain that when Brady brought the ball in it did not touch his other hand. umm Big Ben is that you?? One, the Patriots are still moving forward from that moment and two, someone has to track down that old bastard Dreith and beat the truth out of him about his officiating in that playoff game. Is, To avoid this problem, you may need to take iron with a small amount of food. Jan. 19, 2002 is a date that will always live in infamy for Raiders coach Jon Gruden. It's the way it's worded. What time do NFL fantasy waivers go through? After the officials reviewed the play, it was determined Brady was in a throwing motion and was attempting to "tuck" the ball towards his body, therefore making it an incomplete pass and resulting in the Patriots keeping the ball. The rule works; people have a hard time with it because they want to think the 2001 game was ruined by it. In the 4th quarter, Raiders' cornerback Charles Woodson tackled Patriots' quarterback Tom Brady, causing what initially appeared to be a fumble that was recovered by Raiders' linebacker Greg Biekert. Im sure its no consolation to the many Raiders fans around the country., Keep the rule and let other teams feel the pain and sorrow I still feel from that cold wintry night 10 years ago. Wow! No such rule ever existed. @marinofreakout, you only show your total lack of football knowledge with this statement. What is the tuck rule in NFL and why is it controversial? Patriots should have had 1st and 10 with an extra 15 yards. First of all, I agree, its time for the ruled to be changed! If it goes beyond the line of scrimmage it's an incomplete pass. Buy Raiders Tickets. mrconnors says: Pereira said Carey properly applied the rule as its written, just as Pereira has always said referee Walt Coleman properly applied the rule when he overturned what appeared to be a Tom Brady fumble in a playoff game against the Raiders nine years ago. "[1] The NFL's Competition Committee re-examined the rule after the season but did not change the rule. Impossible. It prohibits runners and defenders from lowering their heads and striking a forcible blow with. Outside of the winner of Super Bowl XXXVI, not much would have changed. The tuck rule resulted in a controversial finish to an AFC divisional playoff game on January 19, 2002, between the New England Patriots and the Oakland Raiders. Very easy to determine what the Qbs intent was and what happened with instant replay. Jan 11, 2011 1:09 PM st mary's academy paducah, ky how many times has the tuck rule been called The 2,957 yards rushing was the fifth-highest total in NFL history at the time. "I volunteer as tribute!", "I want the audience to recognise you when you're in the arena," says Cinna dreamily. (This was also the game in which Patriots quarterback Drew Bledsoe was injured by a hit from Mo Lewis, giving backup Tom Brady a chance to play.). end of story. In 2008, Brady suffered two torn ligaments during the Patriots' season-opening game with the Kansas City Chiefs. Okay, now that this is figured out, what about spiking the football? One fumble would not have stopped him from working hard on his game and developing as he did. This is consistent with most NFL rules as the league tries to make as many rules applications as possible a simple black-white decision (think helmet-to-helmet contact). On Wednesday, N.F.L. ", The seven-time Super Bowl champion then backtracked, quote tweeting his video saying, "I said might. thats why we have instant replay now. Whatever raider fans. Also, if the player has tucked the ball into his body and then loses possession, it is a fumble.[7]. Tom Brady should have to throw left handed if he hasnt thrown an INT in three games. Any idea which it actually was? This rule is fine, its only the whining fans of teams that are unable to do their jobs well enough to win that want this rule changed. it looked like he was patting the ball to throw a pass not tucking it anyway. It was the right call. While New England and Washington voted to keep it, Pittsburgh voted to keep it. If he gets hit while attempting to throw a pass then it would be incomplete as long as the ball goes forward.

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